30 Oct 2000 stefan   » (Master)

schoen: it seems I'v missed a couple of arguments as well, as I wasn't close enough to a keyboard over the weekend. Luckily though, I almost totally agree with graydon, and since he is the more eloquent and more comfortable with English, I don't feel I'm contributing much, so I let him fight alone.

Beside, discussions, especially heated ones like this, tend to produce subthreads which deserve to be treated independently. Too much of what has been said would require further analysis. If ever you have to share a thought or two, go ahead.

It is really silly. From all the good points graydon was making, the least important (and the one I happen not to agree with) was picked up by others (not to have babies). Lots of nitpicking, just to demonstrate that almost nobody seemed to actually understand the essence of the argument. Instead, lilo suggested that I was against consumption as such. Sillyness...

lilo said: I would hope that nanotechnology would eventually help give people more economic options"

so you suggest we produce more (nanotechnology) to get our overconsumption (of energy, resources, space) under control. Well, it happens that is what we are conditioned to do all day. Go buy some medicament with some bad side effects. Then you take another one against the side effects...

control versus power: I was suggesting that we make an efford to take our human destinity into our own hands, instead of letting the 'free market' drive it. The response, as always, was a claim that I'm a power hungry wannabe dictator. I just don't get it. Have you ever considered the concept of emancipation ?

My correlation between "concern for social issues" and "desire to assume control over others" is based on what I know of the history of the human species

I'm not in a position to comment on your knowledge of human history. However, I'v observed that especially among Americans it is politically very correct to make bold claims about human nature, especially terms related to the concepts of selfishness and fitness. Reading such comments makes me wonder whether we are living in the same world. At least not in the same society...

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