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Wikiversity Little change other than a few people are back who had gone missing. Steady trickle of activity on the recent changes log.

Citizendium LOL As one of Larry Sanger's designated TROLL!s there is zero chance that I will be participating there even if it managed to improve on Wikimedia Foundation leadership/governance challenges. However, I was curious to see what improvements they would choose to make to encourage success in building a viable community to create and maintain their fork of Wikipedia. I was amazed to find that there was very little change other than an up front charter/manifesto that Larry and Larry's appointed buddies with P'hds would be in charge and that people were expected to use their realife identities and give some basic background information. Sanger recently advertised that he would be a fixed term dictator, not god king for life, as if this would be a major improvement. After some consideration I still conclude that:

1.) Sanger is still an obnoxious self righteous idiot who probably still does not understand that an ad hominem attack from an alleged P'hd in Philosophy periodically makes him look like a ten year old who has managed to get his game system attached to the internet.

2.) Sanger either brilliantly took my advice regarding mana and engineering and decided on slow increments of "improvements" or independently figured out that duplicating the early Wikipedia environment was a best way to rapidly recreate Wikipedia's success. Time enough to fix the flaws after a viable project emerges. By which time he will have filtered the community to people willing and eager to put up with him in charge. Exactly the Bomis strategy with Wikipedia. Brilliant! Again!

So a measure of success is inevitably how long Citizendium takes to achieve its first viable community fork.

Wikipedia I have been browsing around Wikipedia doing some research and considering ways to possibly attract attention to some Wikiversity projects in which I have interest. I find the current predictions of doom scattered around the web from various knee jerk opponents (note: not critics, their constructive observations serve a critical feedback function) who still claim it is a temporary phenomenon which cannot possibly succeed longterm amazingly tenacious.

Regarding finances. Yes they still beg for money and allow the servers to slow down response when inadequate rather than doing some basic long term business planning and getting the foundation on a solid continuously funded footing. However, a rapid response emergency plan has been floated as a balloon on the mailing list. Display google ads only to unregistered users and only on select pages. Revenue potential is high and immediate. Jimmy Wales has previously promised no advertising but I suspect in an emergency someone could throw him reluctantly into the briar patch.

Regarding qualityThere have been multiple technical fixes to quality control and improvement identified/explained/proposed on the mailing lists, around the Wikipedia site, in gas station rest rooms, and even the occasional review by a constructive critic. Most of these are certainly viable and easy to implement ranging from based upon stable/unstable release versions of articles, to threshhold support voting, to etc. etc. Meanwhile is it simple enough for anyone to revert vandalism or article rot or click back a few versions in the history log. Most detractors ignore this through ignorance or malevolence. Personally I think it is idiotic that a stable version is not shown until a threshold of trusted users (can anyone say advogato style trust metric) have clicked on an [advance to stable version delivered to users] button as myself and many others have proposed on various mailing lists.

Many other viable quality control approaches have been proposed and ignored. Why? I think it is an artifact of early days when growth was paramount. That growth recruited people who love the immediacy of the "Wiki Way!" Whenever the subject of rationalizing version control and presenting the best available approved version to the public as default rather than whatever was edited a few seconds ago the Wiki Way people get hysterical. Every one else agrees that Wikipedia is not finished yet and drops the subject to calm the hysterical vanity tweakers, my tweaks must show immediately to public, cannot be restricted just to active editors for mere eternities much less days or weeks or months until ready to satisfaction of trusted community members.

Of course, Wikipedia will never be finished. Just like a massive engineering project the redlines will never be done. Revision control is necessary to have the correct version of drawings depicting best known information regarding the facility or equipment. If used for critical engineering decisions the information must still be checked against the physical plant, equipment or software release versions and any redlines hanging in the drafting queue or in technicians work order files. Granted it is the responsibility of the Wikipedia user to use the information responsibly ... why force them to start from random crap rather than the currently available best version ..... (but if we say it is good they may not check it, but does this make us responsible if they use the information to modify a nuclear reactor?, but they should know that after they check all the information they can fix the mistakes, and on and on) ....

This is an area where Citizendium may do us a huge favor. See? Even successful forks can be invigorating? By their promise to provide easy access to certified best information available for use at your own risk, they may force the Wikipedia community to stop foot dragging and make it easy for casual users to read the best source text/code available by default rather than whatever tweaks, vandalism, mistakes, or propaganda happen to be sitting in the priveleged top queue position pointed at when John Q. User (not a Wikipediac) requests some reference information. (but we are a Wikipedia not an encyclopedia or a body of reference information, editing here is only a fun way to waste time). This vast improvement of Wikipedia achieved merely by delivering the stable code vs. the unstable code to the user by default will not hurt Citizendium. Their market niche is clearly defined by a committment that P'hds will have reviewed the material presented to the random public. Even should the vast pool of talent at Wikipedia (which does indeed include quite a few actual P'hds along with some pond scum alleging they have credentials) match Citizendium's article quality. Their credentialism should provide a large niche market secure from Wikipedia in the short term.

Regarding project status Overwhelming success. There may never be another GFDL general purpose English language encyclopedia in the history of mankind that is not derived at least in part from Wikipedia. I cannot speak for other languages but they appear to be progressing as well. In a few more years that statement will be probably be true for most specialized encyclopedias. Even though "Deletionists" keep claiming much human knowledge is not "notable" others keep putting it and more back. Why would anyone start from scratch when such an excellent body of reusable work available in machine transparent form exists?

Regarding long term survivalThe English Wikipedia community seems to have its ups and downs and it would not surprise me to see the Wikimedia Foundation implode. I suspect there are backups around the web that could be acquired by legal action if necessary if someone wanted to restore the database and start a new community from scratch. Personally I suspect the Wikimedia Foundation will eventually get its act together and that the overall community and database is now rather robust and indestructible in a Phoenix kind of way.

Most importantly.Should Wikimedia Foundation implode tommorrow and Wikipedia databases be corrupted and unsalvageable .... the project (which I view as a prototype for open engineering activities) is still a resounding success. It has proven that gnu/linux is not a fluke or a fad. People scattered worldwide interested in improving the human condition via a gift economy can accomplish anything that a government or a wealthy capitalist could accomplish in the past and possibly a few things they could not. Can an operating system be developed and given away for free? Yes. But that is software whisper/shout the critics. Can an encyclopedia be developed and given away for free? The superset Wikipedia (Wikipedia is more than an encyclopedia.) was. But that is merely information. Can a Manhattan style nuclear bomb or an Apollo style ICBM be developed over the internet by thousands of volunteers scattered worldwide. Based upon this google search for open source car I suspect the answer is yes. But it would be expensive and why would you want to? I am curious as to whether open engineering could help make Lunar and Martian Tourism an "affordable" reality within a few decades. Perhaps open source fabbers will make hardware prototyping a bit cheaper in the near future. Notice the interesting open source media wiki the site is using to facilitate coordination. An open source CAE suite beginning with 3D models and spitting out engineering drawings and machine code for milling machines is probably a bit much for engineers to ask of the open source community before committing to open source software in a big way. The problem as always is preexisting proprietary data formats and art. How one would go about setting up a user friendly collaborative site to talk to computer illiterate engineers about what software tool features would be useful in open design of various components and/or systems for various purposes is currently a bit beyond me. Fortunately sites such as Wikiversity and Fabber at Home seem to be springing up in time to begin supporting the soon to be arriving thousands of open source engineering teams that may be required to open the new frontier for the benefit all people everywhere.

Wikiversity

We are starting to develop some forward momentum. Several people have started experimenting with each pedagogical technique anyone has suggested somewhere on the site. The recentlog activity is growing as people show up, find a niche, do something briefly, disappear ... and now a few are back to check on progress! Also we have someone checking out how we can run Java Applets from within the mediawiki code. I personally am engaged with a couple of learning trails to demonstrate how concurent design and waterfalls processes can be combined to deliver artwork and game software together. If anybody needs some artwork drop by and list your project and web address or point of contact. Add some useful tweaks if you can or merely drop your request on the talk pages. Look around a bit and check back in six months. Watch it grow into a giant like Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia did. Likewise if there are any game designers or artists out there who need some java support this might in six months be a place to find interested / interesting java developers. Game Design and Production Processes using Open Source Tools We could sure use an initial java developer or serious student who needs some artwork to help keep the exercises diversified and not too focused on my personal game project. cisLunarFreight - merging some capabilities of the classics asteroids, xpilot, lunarlander with some newer Java applets a mud and some educational content.

27 Oct 2006 (updated 27 Oct 2006 at 06:23 UTC) »
Oh happy day! Thank you Apenwarr! Now for as long as my Vaio portable survives with only occasional Windows washing (data backup, reformatting & reinstallation of applications every couple of years) I shall be ever grateful I never had the nerve to hang the cds it shipped with on a Christmas tree and install a handy version of gnu/linux. For what it is worth I have hated power suspend functions ever since they managed to corrupt my Micron/Windows portable a couple of times at the push of a keyboard button. The solution was to lose the battery pack and plug in whenever I wished to use the Micron portable. I am unsure whether this disable the keyboard button or I merely had finally learned to avoid the suspend button.

In other news Fedora Core 5 seems unbreakable on the old x86 I am currently frequently reinstalling on. (No sarcasm. I need the practice. It actually seems unbreakable. I can hardly wait to try out 6. Downloading now.) Unfortunately the hard drive is vibrating like it is on its last legs .... I may yet have to look up and purchase some hardware soon.

Wikiversity

Still off to an apparently slow start.

One problem is that people get dispersed to individual areas of interest.

Another is that no one is quite sure how to use the wiki format to study, teach and/or publish all at once. Perhaps this was overly ambitious to expect student notes to coevolve to high quality material. Mostly I think it is a lack of small friendly groups with common interests showing up at the same time. I think people are coming and going and checking back to see if it is alive yet. 8(

Anyway I trying something new. I am setting up my own wikimedia server so I can link to Wikiversity from personal scribbling not really yet decipherable by others. Later after I clean it up I can cut and paste suitable material over to the Wikiversity.

Last/first problem is just the blasted interface. It is way to clunky for studying mathematical physics or engineering. I guess I will have to get in habit of doing math by hand first and then keying in information as part of a review or discussion or publishing process.

I am not sure if our Tex pre/process is working like Wikipedia's does as I do not know Tex. Perhaps I should acquire a copy and start learning it.

Some good news. One of our people is talking to one of the integrated desktop teams ..... I think KDE but I could be wrong .... they are considering moving their training support activities to Wikiversity.

I think that will give us a huge boost. First from knowledgeable development people prototyping good ways to use the wiki format for training/studying. Second from steady supply of new participants familar with the wikimedia software environment for web publishing and interaction.

Nice to hear Advogato is going to survive.

Wikiversity

Back from the grave. Apparently stable short term URLs and a link from Wikipedia -->> The 16th most visited site in the web world according to Alexi. High enough rank that even with serious error bands and over reporting, we should see a steady stream of curious people from Wikipedia main page through Wikiversity trying to figure out what it is and whether it has any value for them.

My niece and nephew were here from Texas last month wondering if there was any way to get some math help next year long distance. Their parents are to my certain knowledge hardcases requiring them to do the work before helping them check it occasionally or providing sustained attention as they work on a tough one. No doubt they thought I would be a soft touch willing to do their work for them. lol

I will give them a call and provide URLs at Wikiversity where we can do some useful tutoring and leave some useful materials behind us for others. If we can work the technology properly maybe some of their buddies will find the site of interest.

Actually I guess I need to make prior contact with their parents and make sure they have had their quarterly briefing regarding internet safety procedures before I send them the URLs. It will be interesting to see how original they are in creating their handles for their user accounts.

If this Wikiversity thing works out perhaps they will be interested enough that we can accelerate their math enough that they will be ready will they get to college. I never really recovered from the deficiencies in my high school access to advanced mathematics. Topped out at basic trig and limits definitions. Not exactly preparation to compete directly with half the engineering students repeating calculus. My high school math instructor told us if anyone asked if we had trig to tell them no. Unfortunately no one asked. If you had the sats to get into the engineering program you were supposed to be ready for engineering calculus. I guess somebody has to get the Cs but it was a serious shock to me after breezing though high school.

Since I was the first from my family to graduate college I really should have no regrets. I just want to see some generational progress. If they want graduate degrees I would like them to have a fair shot at the grades, activities, and socializing necessary for good shots at scholarships and internships.

Wikiversity

It's dead Jim.

Perhaps someone at an existing university or other source of decent facility resources will revive the concept when they decide they wish to be at the front of a free information wave.

Worth noting that stable URLs are critical to the formation of a web/wiki community. If nobody can find it, there is no action. If there is no action even the occasional stray participant gets bored and wanders off.

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