Hi logic. :-)

And yah: PHP's lack of anything like the DBAPI kinda blows. Of course, I just always use MySQL with it, but the point stands. For a language that prides itself on DB integration, it is definitely a head-scratcher.

I'm somewhat amused by your comment on Zope. I tell ya... half the people that I talk to about Zope have a complaint about its size/complexity. I also tend to shy away from things that say, "stay within this framework and you're okay. leave? what do you mean?" Zope is a great system, but it also seems pretty all-or-nothing, which is unfortunate. And its footprint scares more people than I could count.