Apple uses DMCA
Posted 10 Apr 2004 at 13:33 UTC by proclus
We are asking Apple to Play Fair. For those who are interested, playfair built automatically with
GNU-Darwin x86, although I haven't tested it, because I am clearly _not_
an iTunes user. For those who are interested in downloading and
distributing the code, here is the project link and source code link as
For any who haven't heard, Apple has apparently served the playfair
project with a DMCA takedown notice, which means that GNU-Darwin is
going black with a prominent playfair link this weekend. Here are the
That last point should be up for discussion, because we general ignore
the proprietary software side of Apple. Personally, I think that anyone
who intentionally and knowingly uses any DRM-loaded tool such as iTunes
deserves no support at all. On the other hand, we have been engaged
with related issues for several years now, and like the DVD problem,
this situation is begging for our involvement.
GNU-Darwin is a SourceForge based project, and it is apparently
SourceForge who executed Apple's takedown, so we won't be distributing
playfair packages through our usual channels ;-}.
another mirror, posted 11 Apr 2004 at 20:41 UTC by gilbou »
mirroring the files since i saw them talked about on slashdot:
my own machine. no isp there to change or remove them ;)
Is anyone really surprised that SourceForge took the files down? The DMCA is bad law, but it is the law in the US (until some court strikes it down), and it says pretty clearly that the penalty for "trafficking" in something like PlayFair is five years in jail. This is something that anyone thinking of mirroring the sofware should carefully consider. If you feel that your principles compel you to engage in civil disobedience, there's still the question of whether this is the right test case for fighting the DMCA.
The EU, Australia, and a lot of other places appear to be putting DMCA-like laws in place. One of the few safe countries for this type of development appears to be Norway (not an EU member), where courts have ruled DeCSS legal.
soon in EU, posted 12 Apr 2004 at 12:05 UTC by gilbou »
i do not live in thu us right now. but as something close to the dmca spirit is going to get into french law after it has been adopted by europe, i might have to remove those files sometime. anyway, trying to remove a file from internet is like trying to get urine someone pourred into a swimming pool back ;)
India India India!, posted 12 Apr 2004 at 15:53 UTC by tk »
Should GNU-Darwin become another victim of outsourcing?
> I share your outrage. Suppose there was a community-based recording
> studio in every community, today. Each location has a playfair app to
> hand out to local residents. Forget the Internet. That's the idea
> behind Open Studios. Possibilities? I think so.
Definitely, although you are the expert ;-}. Here is what I am
thinking about it. We could have a kind of toolkit, which includes key
command line tools, such as playfair, but also faad, ffmpeg, sox,
readcd, cdrecord, dvd*, madplay, mpg321, oggtools, and esound. Then
some excellent gui apps, such as CCRMA Snd, and maybe a nice front-end
for the whole thing. People should be able to bring their iPods to an
OpenStudio and make fair use of the tracks, especially Apple parodies
at this time ;-}. If they bring a computer, then we send them away with
our special distribution on a disc, or help them set it up and run it.
> I think that the
> companies then have to mount a different tack, because they can't rely
> on people being totally dependent on the Internet, but rather have to
> cope with multiple levels of communication.
Yes, and our movement is just beginning to see its potential. Imagine
playfair ported to iPod for example, which is just scratching the
surface. Spread it in an mp3 file, like a virus, and everyone suddenly
discovers the DRM has been removed from all their files. Apple must
back down, or face the consequences.
> How fast can we get such a global community-based recording studio
> network up and running? Weeks to months, not years. What will it
> take? Getting the message out to those who can see the possibilities,
> spread the word, and make it happen. What do you think? Want to
> coordinate something with Gnu-Darwin?
Yes, this is fun, because our usual network distribution channel is
blocked on these items due to the SourceForge/Apple axis, but the music
can never be stopped. We have shown that we are able to use our
packaging tools to provide software in a platform independent manner.
I could send you some discs, or hand them to you on the street, email
encrypted, whatever, like the first Neo scene in the Matrix. I could
tell you how to do it yourself. Follow white rabbit. The
possibilities are limitless.
*sigh*, posted 19 Apr 2004 at 02:35 UTC by tk »
Re: *sigh*, posted 19 Apr 2004 at 14:08 UTC by proclus »
Well, I considered that I was already quite busy, but I am open to suggestions of course, especially from you tk. ;-} Go ahead and shoot.
Re: *sigh*, posted 20 Apr 2004 at 03:54 UTC by tk »
Consider outsourcing to yet another country? Beginner's luck...
Re: *sigh*, posted 20 Apr 2004 at 13:12 UTC by proclus »
Sure, got something against India and UK? How about France, my favorite ;-}. Spain is now on the list too.
There are loads of countries with more freedom than the US.
here's more, posted 11 May 2004 at 14:25 UTC by proclus »
May I suggest that the mirror sites now update accordingly. ;-}
------ Forwarded message ------
From: Anand Babu <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Playfair progress?
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:14:53 -0700
,----[ Rajkumar S <email@example.com> ]
| Whats' happening in the playfair front? Did we receive any reply from
hymn-project.org and playfair.org just came online today.
EFF.org forwarded me to a US based hosting service provider.
This provider is well aware of the DMCA and DRM issues and is very
much willing to defend us in case Apple threatens to bring down the
Free as in Freedom <www.gnu.org>