Advogato RFE: Advogato as a social platform
Posted 18 Mar 2002 at 11:16 UTC by DV
It's a quick request: so far advogato is used a lot to expose what
each of us is doing, but doesn't really allow easilly exchange of ideas
in the form of a discussion except for articles but which happen only as a
I would like to suggest a couple of extensions which
the social role of Advogato as an asynchronous archived media exchange.
I have seen occasionally people addressing messages from their
diaries to me , and replied in my own diary. Unfortunately it's
impossible to catch when someone referred to you (unless reading all
diaries which I don't think is really productive).
But advogato has the person tag, it carries a social weight,
and I don't think we use it fully. One simple extension would be on the
personal page of a logged person to get a list of the last recent
diaries pointing to oneself. Similary I would be very interested to
have informations when people reference a project (using the proj
that I'm involved in. Those informations could also be refected in the
Another point I'm wondering about is the lifetime of advogato data,
it sounds to me that the archives of advogato are very important, maybe
not that much to the people involved ATM, but maybe in 10 or 20 years
when social researchers will be looking back at our movement, the
informations contained in advogato could be as important as the old
Usenix achives of comp.os.minix and comp.os.linux, do we keep permanent
backup. Can we make sure they get archived "officially" ? (in France one
can give such public records for archiving to governemental offices
who promise to keep them "forever" as long as the owner accept to grant
access to their content under some reasonable conditions, similar
services probably exists in most countries.)
Yes. Why not., posted 18 Mar 2002 at 11:54 UTC by skypher »
I agree that it would be nice to have a better way of communicating among users on Advogato.
Other solutions, other than the one you mentioned, might include:
- internal messaging system
- personal guestbooks
Don't know if these really "fit" advogato, just some suggestions/ideas from the top of my head.
Regarding keeping the archives "forever"; Saving the archives would be both interesting and useful, but a lot of fun as well! :)
It would be nice to have something like an "<entry>" tag that
cross-references another person's diary entry, and adds a backwards
link from that diary entry to the current one as well. This would
facilitate discourse without supporting the kind of single-threaded
dialogue that tend to degenerate over time.
sej: why do we need the special tag? Surely it is just a change to virgule to parse anchor tags in diary entries and either append them to the numbered diary entry (if the tag is that specific) of the referred to person, or to the currently most recent diary entry (otherwise).
A new tag would inform the diarist that a link to their entry will
appear elsewhere at advogato. And it still might be useful to make a
one-way link to another diary entry in your own entry, when your
comment is for your readers, not the other guy's.
sej: I think you misunderstand me. I mean we change advogato so that normal anchors have exactly the behaviour of entry tags, either as you propose, or with the bit of extra `intelligence' I suggest. No new things for existing users to absorb, and we can retroactively apply the change to past advogato diary entries. I've been meaning to suggest this change for a while.
sej: Ah, I am guilty of misreading your post. I think the `retrofitting' advantage applies. We can add an `xref/noxref' attribute to anchors with a per user toggle (default xref/noxref) to get the flexibility you desire.
Couple of things:, posted 18 Mar 2002 at 22:28 UTC by DV »
Yes I think some kind of cross reference would be useful.
Something a simple as an ID for each diary entry maybe sufficient
http://www.advogato.org/person/DV/#1234 would be sufficient. At
the markup level that could be <person diary="1234">DV<person>
but still my main point would be about starting those exchange,
so far I probably read diaries of 1/10th of the people posting,
and some of those I skip may have something to say I should look at,
how do you call a person number on advogato ? there is no way to dial !
Still there is a need you can see people who know themselves already
exchanging ideas through the mean of diaries.
I don't think forums are really what is needed, we have them
already in the form of the articles. Discussion is more pivate,
and the form of exchange using diaries is closer to this.
Thanks for the suggestions, DV.
I think a "person" backlink feature for diaries is reasonably doable. As
you might imagine, I have a pretty big list of things I'd like to do
with Advogato, and a relatively small amount of time set aside for it.
Even so, being persistent could result in a fairly large payoff over the
As far as backups, I keep a fairly complete set of CD archives. One
tricky issue is the passwords embedded in the acct/*/profile.xml files.
Either the recipient of the backups has to be trustworthy to not abuse
these passwords, or somebody has to do a little script to clean these
from the tarballs, so that what remains can be made public without any
security problems. I'll gladly accept such a script!
I have a fix coded up for the recent performance problems (a stupid
locking problem when the tmetric is being calculated), but haven't
applied it yet to the live system. Soon!
Tracking references to <proj> links would effectively give each
project an unmoderated discussion group - you'd post by putting a link
to the project in the diary entry, and the project summary would contain
a list of recent diary articles referencing it.
I like this approach. It's reminiscent of Gelernter's 'lifestream'
concept, where a person's information is arranged automatically in a
chronological stream. This means the file name doesn't have to take
metadata center stage, and allows other views of data to shine.
> As far as backups, I keep a fairly complete set of CD archives.
Excellent :-). Can you just make sure there is a copy held by a
separate entity, preferably not an individual. Possibly add this to
your PhD package once you complete it, an University would be a good
recipient too, just look at what can happen when people move...
Concerning the password, yes they should be stripped from the
archives, they may have personal relationship, or be reused somewhere
else, they should not be published. If archives are kept as XML it should
be relatively easy to cleanup. I should install mod_virgule and
have a look :-)
All, posted 19 Mar 2002 at 09:27 UTC by Malx »
You could point to specific diary already. Just click on it's arrow,
"copy link location" and "paste" it to reply:
I thinks any automation of this process could be add to TODO of
MyAdvogato script :)
If you ever will add checking for person and proj tags
this could lead to misuse. For example some observer could be
registered just to say [proj]SomeThing[/proj] is suxx and this
will be add to project page :) without ability to remove it.
I have heard someone write a script, which reloads recentlog every some
hours and checkes for any word (It could be you nick or project name).
And notify you (via mail?!) if there is it. It could be written in 10
minutes and set to crontab. But.... it reloads "recentlog" everytime ;(
Also - do not forget about http://xmlvl.net/
coordination, posted 21 Mar 2002 at 16:49 UTC by cmiller »
So, is anyone actually implementing any of these ideas? I'm sure a few
of us would consider it, but we'd hate to duplicate effort.
I like the [person]-tag backlink, and the [person#id=N] link to journal
entry, but I dislike the idea of a similar functionality for the
jcv complained well about not having a more
owner-friendly interface on one's own person-page. An "add new diary"
link would be perfect above the most recent entry.