kuro5hin is still off the air

Posted 27 Nov 2001 at 16:44 UTC by sye Share This

kuro5hin is still off the air. It is dismal to me that "technology and culture from the trenches" seems to be in a foxhole forever.

i can take a long vacation from any of my technology vocation, but it is quite difficult to sever oneself from addictive culture activities. So i find a new kulture playground for myself.

Somehow, i can't get away with this feeling that kuro5hin is more likely going down the corporation trench than remaining as members support community site. "Services will also be getting a secondary backup machine soon which I'll configure to mirror everything". If kuro5hin is going to be a pioneer in bridging technology and culture sphere, i'd like to see an implementation of mirroring a site between two independent social entities, not just two remote machines belong to the same owner. How to manage common property is first of all a social challenge but i hope technologist can start trying their methods to replace bureaucratic establishment in maintaining social hierachy. I don't know if kuroshin's owner believes that archived contents of his site belongs to public. Eventhough, there's no contractual obligation but it would be wise to share copies of that contents among a few parties who see values in serving a community at large through combined efforts.


Coming back soon..., posted 27 Nov 2001 at 19:17 UTC by kuro5hin » (Master)

Yep, we've been down for way too long, and it'll be at least till tomorrow. Basically, here's what's going on:

  • Our hardware setup was rather... sketchy to begin with. We've been running on a somewhat non-production Compaq Proliant 8000 ("bubba"), donated by a helpful gnome at Compaq. This machine has been more of a bane than a boon, though, as it is extremely sensitive, and is prone to sulking in a corner, refusing to boot.
  • The colo that our colo contracts with took it into their head to suddenly move all their gear to a new cage, without telling anyone. Our machine was manhandled over by people who weren't aware of it's sensitivity, and has since refused to boot.

So I've been arranging for a new set of CPUs from our original Compaq donor, as we suspect that the CPUs are at fault. They have been shipped, and will arrive tomorrow, and if they work, we'll be back on the air then.

Meanwhile, I'm also arranging a long-term solution to the hardware woes which ought to get us in a much more stable position in about two weeks.

So those are the facts. To address some of the other points in this article, then:

Somehow, i can't get away with this feeling that kuro5hin is more likely going down the corporation trench than remaining as members support community site.

Wrong. In fact, we're pulling ourselves out of the corporate trench, if anything. For the last year, we've been supported financially by ad revenue from OSDN. That agreement is ending in January, and we'll be turning to the community to help support us, if they think we're a valuable resource. We're going to offer textads (cheap, non-annoying, html-only ads that anyone can buy with a credit card), expand memberships (adding a few nifty features for people who want to support us directly as paid members), and opening a store with some very cool merchandise.

Now, if trying to make money to keep the site available and free for everyone is "going down the corporate trench", then I guess that's what we're doing. My view of the world wouldn't see it that way, but maybe it's just me.

If kuro5hin is going to be a pioneer in bridging technology and culture sphere, i'd like to see an implementation of mirroring a site between two independent social entities, not just two remote machines belong to the same owner.

If someone wants to stand up and volunteer their set of hardware and bandwidth, and figure out an easy way to seamlessly mirror database content between two entities, I'd be more than happy to consider it. Email rusty@kuro5hin.org.

I don't know if kuroshin's owner believes that archived contents of his site belongs to public.

It doesn't "belong" to the public, no. It belongs, in the strictest sense, to Kuro5hin.org Inc. That said, I do believe that it would be a terrible thing to ever remove the archives from public availability, and I won't do it. If we ever decided to discontinue operating the site, I would make damn sure that the archived content was released to anyone who wanted it.

We have not, however, decided to take the site down at all. If I could get to the archives, the site would already be back up and functioning. It's very difficult to run a major site with one employee and no budget, and sometimes things like this happen. It can't be helped. I'm working hard to get things back, and try to ensure this doesn't happen again. That's the best I can do.

I'll keep an eye here, and if anyone else has any questions or concerns, please ask. This sucks for me at least as much as it sucks for all the other K5ers denied their daily fix, and probably more so. But in the long term, we'll come out of it stronger. "K5: Turning disaster into opportunity since 1999." :-)

good to hear the good news..., posted 27 Nov 2001 at 20:56 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

good to hear the good news that K5 may be back as soon as tomorrow. Shouldn't hold off a good news like that on kuro5hin.org though.

Thank you for your dedication.

Temp page, posted 27 Nov 2001 at 21:18 UTC by kuro5hin » (Master)

I don't actually have the login to change the temp page (it's not on one of our machines), and Inoshiro seems to be off doing something. I'm working on it. :-)

love the gord, fear the gord, posted 28 Nov 2001 at 00:23 UTC by voltron » (Journeyer)

at least they linked to acts of gord. that site is pure gold, and if you should choose to look at it consider the next 2-3 hours of your life the property of the allmightly gord.

Software to Test Your Hardware With, posted 28 Nov 2001 at 01:08 UTC by goingware » (Master)

kuro5hin, check out this article for some software that you can use to test your new hardware.

Some links in the article are stale - corrections are:

memtest86 seems to have found that the cache in the Pentium III in the PC I'm typing this on is bad. While it's mainly for testing RAM, it will find problems in CPU's. It only tests one CPU, you seem to have a dual cpu box, and if you do I suggest you try just installing one at a time and doing a full test on each.

VA Linux' Cerberus is now hosted by sourceforge as project va-ctcs. Use with caution.

BTW, I'm user goingware at kuro5hin.org too; I should add a link from my public page here.

Sell archive CDs, posted 28 Nov 2001 at 01:58 UTC by richieb » (Journeyer)

Hmm... Perhaps you could sell CDs with Kuroshin archives. $5 a pop? Would anyone buy them?

...richie

Testing and whatnot, posted 28 Nov 2001 at 06:01 UTC by kuro5hin » (Master)

goingware: Thanks. In fact, memtest86 found some bad memory in the K5 machine previously. So it is good. The problem with testing CPUs is that the box is an 8-way Compaq Proliant, and it will only operate with either processors or terminator cards in all the CPU slots. We have no terminator cards. So basically, we're kind of screwed for testing CPUs.

richieb: We've considered it. I'm uneasy about the ethical issues of doing it, because our license (which everyone is supposed to read before they post) explicitly only reserves the right to publish whatever people contribute in electronic form, on kuro5hin.org, with a tiny loophole for RSS syndication. What's legal or not I don't care that much, because what matters is the spirit of the agreement, and it basically precludes selling a CD (or book, or basically anything else with other people's words in it), as I read it.

If we think it could be a good idea, I may ask everyone to opt-in, if they want their contributions put on an archive. Anyone I couldn't reach or didn't agree would be automatically excluded though, so the utility of the thing would end up kind of depending on how many people would be willing to go to the trouble of actually agreeing to it. Difficult, but I think, the right thing to do.

Nevertheless, we'll be selling other stuff, and it will be cool. :-)

Buying stuff..., posted 28 Nov 2001 at 12:40 UTC by richieb » (Journeyer)

Nevertheless, we'll be selling other stuff, and it will be cool. :-) Well, I do have a Slashdot T-Shirt and I could use a kuro5hin one. :-)

how to package archived contents ..., posted 28 Nov 2001 at 14:29 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

i am basically against the idea of selling archived contents on CDs for kuro5hin site. But if we can implement a way to let each individual select their own repository of contents that are of particular interests to them, and deliver those individual repository without much hassle and at very low cost, e.g., a tar file or a database dump file, i would be willing to pay certain amount of donation for that kind of service.

i just don't think that with new contents and discussions coming up everyday, people would have time or interest to dig old archives if it is not tailored to their very personal experience for the time past.

Archives, posted 28 Nov 2001 at 17:46 UTC by kuro5hin » (Master)

sye: I agree. Due to the fact that I don't think there's much of a market, and the legal difficulties described above, it's pretty low on the list of priorities.

K5, adequacy.org, kulture.org, InTune.org, posted 5 Dec 2001 at 17:13 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

since K5 is down for more than a week (5 days) now, i visited those other Scoop sites adequacy , Anarchy Online , and InTune - Music discussion for the soul .

I like them all. Each represents its founders own interest and administration style. The only thing I don't like is the intolerable response time on adequacy site due to high traffic diverted from K5. I remember the joke i read on one community site a while ago. "HTTP" stands for "High Throttle Traffic Pissing" match. For Scoop community to serve netizens as a successful technology platform, to avoid HTTP stress isn't that hard. Adequacy.org can add links to those other Scoop sites and divert some discussions there when the subject matter fall tightly into those other sites' specialties. And I wish to see more collaborations among scoop admins to ensure uninterrupt services to their user base and their own success.

[Scoop-dev] tuning issues, posted 6 Dec 2001 at 02:44 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

So this is why adequacy is going horribly slow. - a database bottleneck.

also find out that someone is working on a Postgres Scoop

Scoop slowness, posted 6 Dec 2001 at 22:08 UTC by kuro5hin » (Master)

sye: The problem with Adequacy is mostly that they're running a severely hacked version of old code. The database bottleneck they're hitting has been essentially eliminated in new Scoop code ("new" as of several months ago), but they're unable to update because they've made a lot of code changes and not contributed any of them back to Scoop.

This is a very good lesson if anyone's paying attention. When you hack on an open source project, either do it carefully and contribute your changes back, or accept the likelihood that you're essentially operating a fork, and will get no benefit from future development of the main tree.

It's frustrating as hell to me that the fix for their problem is easy, but they simply can't apply it.

I'd really like to see someone clever think up a good way that sites can widely distribute their services without requiring that they not need to make any money from them.

porting to different DBs, posted 7 Dec 2001 at 20:52 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

GPLed SQL-Ledger accounting system is also written in Perl. It's backend Database engine currently is the transaction based Postgres. The Oracle port of SQL-Ledger is almost complete.

Maybe Scoop can adopt some of sql-ledger's design elements so that Scoop can be ported to different DBs in the future and to support other languages. SQL-ledger supports more than a dozen languages.

no adequate response from scoop.kuro5hin to adequacy, posted 10 Dec 2001 at 15:55 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

kuro5hin, maybe if scoop.kuro5hin.org responded adequately to adequacy.org's elby , he will contribute his changes back. The future development of Scoop's main tree is how well the application can easily adapt itself to fit in different end users' requirements. In other words, the more forkings of the main tree, the better! That principle should direct the design of main Scoop development: to give forking as much room as possible.

Gordon Guthrie and his Politicaldiscussion.org, posted 11 Dec 2001 at 15:50 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

This Gordon Guthrie and his Request For Comment - Scottish Politics and Policy On the Internet is pretty amazing. Usability Testing Proposal for Scoop.html, Pesonal Usability Review of Scoop. Scoop Usability Testing Scripts. Apparently, he put quite a bit of thoughts into Scoop.

The Scoop Box Exchange et al., posted 14 Dec 2001 at 16:30 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

i am curious to find out what The Scoop Box Exchange is really about. Are they pieces of Perl code that site admin can adopt for their own site administration or are they client program that one can run on their box to get some stats out of other. Scoop sites?

also curious on kuro5hin's E-commerce modules in planning among Scoop's new features.

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