Google's China affair

Posted 17 Jan 2010 at 11:34 UTC (updated 19 Jan 2010 at 17:05 UTC) by sye Share This

Google China closes its door after talks with Chinese government officials failed. - News report from Boxun.

Employees are given 6 months pay and are encouraged to apply for opening positions in other branches of Google operations in Asian & in US.

Those cyber-hackers in China, are they wearing black, white or yellow hat ?

That's what I want to know.

WSJ reports: A Heated Debate at the Top Co-Founder Brin Pushed for Strong Condemnation of China, While CEO Schmidt Argued to Stay

Google Inc.'s startling threat to withdraw from China was an intensely personal decision, drawing its celebrated founders and other top executives into a debate over the right way to confront the issues of censorship and cyber security.

Google's very public response to what it called a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure originating from China" was crafted over a period of weeks, with heavy involvement from Google's co-founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin.

For the two men, China has always been a sensitive topic. Mr. Brin has long confided in friends and Google colleagues of his ambivalence ...

From IT World Canada:
Analysts at VeriSign Inc. said attacks were launched by attaching malicious files to e-mails. Adobe Systems Inc. has patched a vulnerability in its Portable Document Format (PDF) software but a researcher from F-Secure Corp. says PDFs were used to attack both Adobe and Google Inc.
My hunch is that human rights activists send Google PDF bombs without knowing that they carried virus in their sleeves or that their identity has been stolen by tubely social network kurons, like one of them has affected my gmail account.

Yesterday, Larry Summers said: "it's too soon to say whether Google Inc's threat to pull out of China will be a pivot point in Washington's relationship with Beijing"

Google's withdraw isn't a political calculation. It is an economic one. I agree with CEO Schmidt that Google can't afford to hand over Chinese internet users' trust to Microsoft/Sun/IBM those old blue blood in China but without political support within Chinese government, their operation cost is going to mount substantially.

Google is not at war with China but Google may be at war with Microsoft's influence in China, once again.

"The precursor of this current drama was the sudden departure of Google's China president and head of its research and development there, Dr. Kai-Fu Lee, who was lured from Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) in 2005. He curiously left in September last year and is now working his own Chinese start-up. (Lee will conveniently not be caught up in Google's situation, which would have been devastating to his career in China. Slick.) "

'Can Google beat China?' This is like asking when IBM Big Blue can beat Go Seigen at playing go game.

One thing I know is that Chinese are far more patient than Senator Clinton.

The only government response came later in the day from Xinhua, the official news agency, which ran a brief item quoting an anonymous official who was "seeking more information on Google's statement that it could quit China."

Google linked its decision to sophisticated cyberattacks on its computer systems that it suspected originated in China and that were aimed, at least in part, at the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

In a statement, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton expressed "serious concerns" about the infiltration of Google.

"We look to the Chinese government for an explanation," Mrs. Clinton said.

When Obama visited China last year, he brought a go set to the Chinese rulers. I wonder if he really wanted his team to learn how to play go with their Chinese counter-part. At the same time, I wish more Chinese could have access to online used-bookstore, like abebooks.com and bought a copy of 'Shibumi'

What insight can we learn from all of the media coverage so far?

Recently, I paid only $15 for one year's privilege of using Free Library at Philadelphia center city as a New Jersey residence. Behind the membership desk is a sign which says 'Our computers are very human. When it fails, it complains to another computer'. Will this other computer register its neighbor's woe faithfully? That depends. If it is exactly the same copy of that computer, it will likely to be infected by the same woe without even realizing its own shortcoming. That's the story I would like to tell to all computer users who has the power to make their own thinking going along with their electronic devices.


forging political alliance, posted 17 Jan 2010 at 14:03 UTC by badvogato » (Master)

Remember Murdoch's protest with Google, Inc? Here's the new connecting of stones.

what the other can teach us, posted 17 Jan 2010 at 18:54 UTC by badvogato » (Master)

What Israel can teach us about security

Is the lawyer Gao Zhisheng still alive?, posted 18 Jan 2010 at 15:58 UTC by mentifex » (Master)

It is good that Google gets out of China. Until a people's revolution overthrows the criminal government in Peking, no American company should do business with China.

As an example of the criminal Chinese government's disrespect for law and humanity, consider the outrageous matter of the disappearance of the Nobel Peace Prize nominee Gao Zhisheng, who was taken away from his home in China in February 2009.

According to an article by Andrew Jacobs in the Sat. 16 January 2010 issue of The New York Times, "Human rights advocates say the disappearance of Mr. Gao is particularly worrisome, given the mistreatment he said he had endured during a previous incarceration. In a letter he published after his release several years ago, he said he had confessed to sedition charges only after a month of torture that included jabs with an electric baton and the piercing of his genitals with toothpicks. At the time, he said, his torturers told him he would be killed if he spoke publicly about his treatment in detention."

Now they say he has "gone missing."

Now it is time to face the China problem head-on and to call for a revolt in China. The top government officials of China should be prosecuted and executed if need be.

All American businesses that continue to do business with the illegitimate government of China should be boycotted. Boycott, for instance, Apple Computer for "tweaking" their ad campaigns so as not to offend the Chinese governemnt criminals.

Remember the Dalai Lama and independent Tibet.

Remember 4 June 1989 and the Tienanmen Square Massacre when the criminal Chinese government killed its own students protesting for democracy.

Ask any Chinese you meet to join the revolution and to work in secret for the overthrow of Peking.

Ask the Chinese Army to revolt against the criminals.

Do not let American politicians kowtow to criminals illegitimately ruling China. No more state visits!

Let one hundred revolutions all over China rise up egainst the criminal enterprise that is the current illegitimate government of China.

Return to the China of Sun Yat Sen and the oldest cultured civilization on Earth. Meet the Chinese revolutionaries and support them until the last Chinese government criminal hangs from a lamp-post.

Ouch., posted 18 Jan 2010 at 18:21 UTC by fzort » (Journeyer)

My Chinese and Chinese descendant friends seem to be happy about the current China. Could have something to do with half a billion people lifted out of poverty in a single generation, but that's just a wild guess.

Before you go around protesting for a Free Tibet, I suggest you read this essay.

linky on Google's China affair from boxun, posted 19 Jan 2010 at 16:50 UTC by hjclub » (Observer)

http://peacehall.com/forum/201001/boxun2010/113518.shtml

主题:路透社:谷歌掀起“完美风暴”2010年中美关系将何去何从?

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新年伊始,谷歌掀起中美关系的“完美风暴”,中美关系将成为最热门的议题。

其实,在谷歌威胁可能因黑客袭击和网络内容审查制度而撤出中国市场前,中美关 系就已笼罩在一些由来已久的政治和经济争议中。

智库--美国传统基金会(Heritage Foundation)中国事务研究员成斌(Dean Cheng) 说:“今年对中美关系而言,将是形式严峻、跌宕起伏的一年。”

美国总统奥巴马去年大体上处于与中国的“蜜月期”,两国暂时搁置了围绕台湾、西 藏、人权及人民币汇率政策等议题的分歧,联手应对全球经济危机。

但前述问题和新问题层出不穷,譬如谷歌宣称的网络安全威胁,这些因素在今年可 能影响到两国关系,尤其鉴于美国将迎来国会选举。

中国人民大学国际政治教授时殷弘认为,今年在人权、政治管控和互联网等问题 上,美国的表现将有别于去年。

他并指出,围绕台湾问题和西藏问题的争议,今年可能更为突出,因奥巴马已批准 对台军售,且可能最早于2月与达赖喇嘛会面。

政治风险咨询机构欧亚集团(Eurasia Group)称,美国与中国在气候问题上的分 歧,以及经济政策方面的不合拍,均使得中美关系成为2010年最大的政治风险。

分歧与合作共存

美国前政府官员格林(Mike Green)称,奥巴马政府错在夸大了对中国的依赖,使得 “中国成为中心,美国则沦为寻求帮助的附庸国。”

美国在2009年作出友好姿态,譬如取消奥巴马与达赖喇嘛会晤、搁置对台军售案, 这些均促成了奥巴马与中国的“蜜月期”。但格林认为中国方面未予对等合作。

白宫副国家安全顾问罗兹(Ben Rhodes)证实,奥巴马将就互联网自由作出强硬表 态,并将于今年会见达赖喇嘛。

但他也表示,中美关系比新闻媒体所说的情况要好,两国领导人定期接触以及高层 对话,将有助于缩小分歧。

罗兹说:“当然,当两国存在强烈分歧时,两国关系似乎就会面临挑战。”

他在接受路透采访时说:“我们认为,中美关系已足够成熟,可以容许分歧甚至是 强烈分歧。”

“我们会表达不同看法,但未必影响我们在其他领域的合作。”

时殷弘说,两国的分歧实际上不像看起来那麽糟。中国将就台湾问题和西藏问题作 出强烈回应,但将努力在国家主席胡锦涛今年访美前化解相关分歧。

美国战略与国际研究中心太平洋论坛负责人柯罗夫(Ralph Cossa)称:“事实上,中 美关系向来像过山车一样。”但他认为,两国关系今年应不会严重恶化。

路透社/2010-01-17

'Initiation' by Ma Jian, posted 20 Jan 2010 at 03:19 UTC by badvogato » (Master)

fzort, that essay on Tibet sucks. Check out this excerpt from Ma Jian's most popular novel banned in China on 'blasphemy' charges in regards of Tibetan cultural heritage.

the tragedy of old age, posted 21 Jan 2010 at 17:57 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

I can't remember who said that. 'The tragedy of old age isn't getting old but getting young'.

Forbes.com columnist Shaun Rein like to see China as a teenage boy with a subtitle, 'God please don't abandon it'. To me, it's more like US is the teenage Christian boy penetrated old witch China thus scandalize the whole wild wild planet.

When China was young, she sailed to Italy and ignited the Renaissance according to English Admiral Gavin Menzies. Of course, not many people believed that alternative theory, beginning in Christian Calender 1434. I was reading this book 'Britons, forging a nation 1707-1837' and had great fun dashing through it on Martin Luther King's day. And it makes me wonder how old is Uncle Sam, exactly?

China, Google and the Cloud Wars , posted 22 Jan 2010 at 16:14 UTC by hjclub » (Observer)

by WSJ HOLMAN W. JENKINS, JR

What does Google know about you? What does the Chinese government know about you?

Now you know a less-spoken reason why Google has gone to the mattresses over Chinese hacking. Always in the cards, since the birth of the Web, was the possibility that some great Internet business—a Yahoo or Google or Amazon or Facebook—would be destroyed overnight by a cataclysmic loss of trust in its protection of consumer data.

We haven't seen this phenomenon yet, but it has seemed almost inevitable that sooner or later we will.

Google's response to the discovery that Chinese hackers—likely government hackers—had tried to ransack its servers has been both energetic and obfuscating. "We love China and the Chinese people," said CEO Eric Schmidt. "This is not about them. It's about our unwillingness to participate in censorship."

This was good PR—changing the subject from the very touchy one of data security. It may also have been good strategy, putting China on the defensive about blocking its own citizens' access to information. Your move, Beijing.

It was also brave in a way other businesses in China haven't been brave, and perhaps can't afford to be. Hard to imagine, after all, is the cream of Chinese youth, the hope of its future, laying flowers of solidarity on the doorstep of, say, Northrop Grumman.

But one thing Google's response wasn't was entirely straightforward. The issue isn't censorship but data security. Google may deserve every salaam for its willingness to go to war with China over its users' data privacy, but it has been careful not to advertise that that's what the showdown is really about. Ditto the Obama administration, which has taken up the censorship theme but has no answer for what really happened in the Google hack, which included breaking into individual email accounts.

You can understand their delicacy. Refusing to comply with China's censorship directives, as Google is now doing, doesn't actually make anyone's data safer. Even pulling down its Chinese search engine altogether, as Google says it's prepared to do, wouldn't make Google's servers in the U.S. or anywhere else more secure from determined hackers sponsored by the Chinese government.

Nobody wants to talk about this, because nobody has an answer for it. Even less given the stampede of businesses large and small to entrust their propriety data to "the cloud." But let's face it: If you are among the millions of users of Google's many services, which includes a lot more than typing your perhaps not always creditable whims into its search engine, by now on some gloomy afternoon you have already involuntarily paused and wondered what exactly Google makes of all your information.

It doesn't take much to trip the anxiety switch even without worrying about data leakage to outsiders. In the near future, because you once typed in a search for hemorrhoid creams, will you see hemorrhoid ads flashing on electronic billboards as your car passes by? Will your Thanksgiving football fest with the in-laws be interrupted with TV commercials for hemorrhoid creams unless you take yourself out of the room? (Microsoft already is developing for its xBox game and video machine a capacity to watch who's watching).

The Chinese government may not have anything to gain by embarrassing you in front of your children or employer, but state-sponsored hacking can potentially serve many purposes, from espionage and economic sabotage to blackmail and short-selling opportunities.

Even more likely, hacking could be Beijing's way of extorting corporate compliance with its other goals. That's why Google's tactic of thumbing its nose at China's censorship rules is at least inspired gamesmanship. Message to China: You have something to lose too.

It's also why the response of other companies has been worrisome in its wussiness. Motorola is widely named in the press as having been hacked by Chinese operatives in the same incident as Google. Motorola's response? "Motorola is committed to offering the most innovative mobile products and experiences in China."

If China's hacking is essentially a power play, silence is the wrong answer. In the early 1990s, the world studiously ignored evidence that China's military was behind much of the piracy in the vital trade lanes of the South China Sea. The parallel is a close one, because China's motive appeared to be an assertion of sovereignty as much as a grab for booty.

Hong Kong, still a British possession at the time, bravely collected the evidence, including serial numbers of Chinese patrol boats involved in the attacks. But it was allowed to present its findings only orally to the U.N. International Maritime Organization—because a written report would have required the agency to acknowledge the information and act on it.

Nobody wanted to know because nobody knew how to do deal with Chinese state-sponsored piracy, though it turned out the best way to deal with it was simply to advertise what was known about China's participation in piracy.

Editorial: if Chinese hackers have found Google's new cloud computing Achilles heal, US has more to lose than China.

Apple And Oracle Face Off, posted 22 Jan 2010 at 23:44 UTC by badvogato » (Master)

"Apple and Oracle Face Off"
Taylor Buley and Brian Caulfield sponsored by Microsoft on Forbes.com

Bravo!

Re: China, Google and the Cloud Wars, posted 26 Jan 2010 at 10:52 UTC by redi » (Master)

hjclub, there's no need to post entire copyrighted articles, the link would have been enough

Re: longevity of links, posted 26 Jan 2010 at 11:56 UTC by hjclub » (Observer)

redi, if stealing isn't necessary, will you count for me how many links are no longer cared for here ?

Re: longevity of links, posted 26 Jan 2010 at 12:15 UTC by redi » (Master)

So steal it yourself, don't use advogato to host copyrighted material

Bruce Schneier on Chinese hacking of Google, posted 26 Jan 2010 at 12:53 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

NSA Secret Database Ensnared President Clinton’s Private E-mail

Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/pinwale/

"U.S. enables Chinese hacking of Google"

Editor's note: Bruce Schneier is a security technologist and author of "Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly About Security in an Uncertain World." Read more of his writing at www.schneier.com.

some important views on China-Google Affair, posted 26 Jan 2010 at 16:38 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

Threatchaos.com

Singapore StraitsTimes report, posted 26 Jan 2010 at 22:37 UTC by hjclub » (Observer)

Jan 26, 2010 Diplomat hits out over Google

LONDON - CHINA'S ambassador to London criticised alleged British arrogance after being questioned about Google's threat to pull out of her country in a BBC interview Tuesday.

Fu Ying also insisted relations between the two countries had not been strained by the execution last month of Briton Akmal Shaikh, whose supporters said was mentally ill, for drug smuggling.

The ambassador said she thought there 'must have been a lot of things' behind the US search engine's announcement, following claims it had been attacked by Chinese-based hackers.

'That's one of the frustrations I have in my three years in this country - for you, you have this habit of believing you have the best system, the best things in the world and everybody to copy,' she added on BBC radio.

'You want the Westminster roof to be put on the house of every country. But it doesn't work. Every country should build its own house and choose the best roof for itself'.

She also said of Shaikh's execution: 'Between countries there are always differences... this shows our relationship is strong enough to handle differences and I don't think there's any serious damage'. -- AFP

Japan warning to China 'has domestic cause', posted 28 Jan 2010 at 16:14 UTC by hjclub » (Observer)

By Cheng Guangjin and Liu Qi (China Daily) Updated: 2010-01-20 07:25

Christian Science Monitor Was China involved?

'We don't hack' - Beijing Review, posted 29 Jan 2010 at 16:31 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

"More than 1 million Chinese IP addresses were controlled by foreign sources and hackers attacked 42,000 websites last year..."

Beijing Review

smalldog.com notice of potential credit card info breach, posted 31 Jan 2010 at 09:00 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

Jan. 29 received this notice from Smalldog Electronics Inc

I think I'll still do business with them.

the mindset of 'Paul Yih', posted 1 Feb 2010 at 17:23 UTC by hjclub » (Observer)

" These ethnic Jewish groups had taken down China once -- by way of Opium with aone prominent bank still displaying of their full loot of China -- HSBC ., of course that same arrogance, hiding behind the term of "Western" had yet be stratified and layered out right for the Chinese to see --But at this moment onward, all Chinese business intelligence have to find out what componnet of any buisness are related to the ethnic Jews and what are their origins? Rothschild? Bank of England ? And find out for themselves -- Otherwise, the hidden white collar criminals will strike again -- because the have gotten away the last time -- placing all the blame of the English, instead, the English were merely proxies -- of course, in the looting of China. England 's kings and queens did got paid very handsomely. But not this time around. We have to be on the alert of the incoming Economic War and we have to identify the people of each and every company and to know their ethnic background in full and to find out if they are foes or friends of China. In not knowing this layers of ethnic and religious associations -- China can be harmed again. - Paul Yih "

'don't ask don't tell in Davos', posted 1 Feb 2010 at 20:01 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

Act III in Google-China affair

EFF "Seven Corporations of Interest...", posted 3 Feb 2010 at 14:20 UTC by badvogato » (Master)

"Seven Corporations of Interest Selling surveillance tools to China" Commentary by Danny O'Brien

e.g. #6 Sybase: Business Week also reports that Sybase sells database programs to the Shanghai police.

Your thoughts?

China is aiming at America's soft underbelly: the Internet, posted 6 Feb 2010 at 18:39 UTC by badvogato » (Master)

by Nathan Gardels

Ghost in the shell: network security in Himalayas

Authors:

Matthias Vallentin, Jon Whiteaker, Yahel Ben-David

pre-emptive strike, posted 7 Feb 2010 at 09:46 UTC by badvogato » (Master)




Another Rhyme taken with Captain Rum 海盗蔗酒又一曲

Democracy by Bush supports Monopoly of Dick Bush or Dick how can we tell? 民主是毛 向着贪心的鸟 哪块是毛哪块是鸟 让人摸不着头脑

Thunders break Rabbi's roar 沙漠雷电打断了拉比的怒号

Can't you read Hebrew? Thou must obey thy Supreme Commander. 不会希伯来文吧? 你一定要乖乖服从你的领导

Chinese Saga smiles with one finger straight up in the air 孔夫子笑一笑 一根指头竖起向上,道:

"God is playing a joke On America as we spake “我们早就说过苍天在拿美国开玩笑

Ah, Dick with Bush one never get tired of the other as long as we understand no ejaculation through and with all thy might is the only civilized way unmanly but holy to flourish many Ds after Bs under Heaven on this Earth."

呜呼,谁都知道鸟鸟跟毛毛 一对老相好 不等到一泻千里 岂会互相烦恼 苍天啊,只有你有力量 使出不人道而神道的道道 繁衍这天堂之下的俗世 众多的傻B和憨D

Then Saga puts his finger down People saw a whitehead Eagle soared And nobody was around But the tomb of this broken rhyme with Captain Rum.

说着,孔夫子手指朝下 人们看到一只白头鹰窜跳 旁边却空无一人 这结局可不配姆酒的味道

ps. P in the V chemistry

2 China Schools said to be tied to online attacks, posted 22 Feb 2010 at 16:23 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/technology/19china.html?pagewanted=print

The Chinese schools involved are Shanghai Jiaotong University and the Lanxiang Vocational School, according to several people with knowledge of the investigation who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the inquiry.

Jiaotong has one of China’s top computer science programs. Just a few weeks ago its students won an international computer programming competition organized by I.B.M. — the “Battle of the Brains” — beating out Stanford and other top-flight universities.

Lanxiang, in east China’s Shandong Province, is a huge vocational school that was established with military support and trains some computer scientists for the military. The school’s computer network is operated by a company with close ties to Baidu, the dominant search engine in China and a competitor of Google.

Within the computer security industry and the Obama administration, analysts differ over how to interpret the finding that the intrusions appear to come from schools instead of Chinese military installations or government agencies. Some analysts have privately circulated a document asserting that the vocational school is being used as camouflage for government operations. But other computer industry executives and former government officials said it was possible that the schools were cover for a “false flag” intelligence operation being run by a third country. Some have also speculated that the hacking could be a giant example of criminal industrial espionage, aimed at stealing intellectual property from American technology firms.

Independent researchers who monitor Chinese information warfare caution that the Chinese have adopted a highly distributed approach to online espionage, making it almost impossible to prove where an attack originated.

“We have to understand that they have a different model for computer network exploit operations,” said James C. Mulvenon, a Chinese military specialist and a director at the Center for Intelligence Research and Analysis in Washington. Rather than tightly compartmentalizing online espionage within agencies as the United States does, he said, the Chinese government often involves volunteer “patriotic hackers” to support its policies.

Spokesmen for the Chinese schools said they had not heard that American investigators had traced the Google attacks to their campuses.

If it is true, “We’ll alert related departments and start our own investigation,” said Liu Yuxiang, head of the propaganda department of the party committee at Jiaotong University in Shanghai.

But when asked about the possibility, a leading professor in Jiaotong’s School of Information Security Engineering said in a telephone interview: “I’m not surprised. Actually students hacking into foreign Web sites is quite normal.” The professor, who teaches Web security, asked not to be named for fear of reprisal.

“I believe there’s two kinds of situations,” the professor continued. “One is it’s a completely individual act of wrongdoing, done by one or two geek students in the school who are just keen on experimenting with their hacking skills learned from the school, since the sources in the school and network are so limited. Or it could be that one of the university’s I.P. addresses was hijacked by others, which frequently happens.”

h4x0r1ng, posted 23 Feb 2010 at 11:12 UTC by fzort » (Journeyer)

Those "information warfare" conspiracy theories are ridiculous. Probably just a couple of smart kids having fun.

thanks David, posted 24 Feb 2010 at 19:11 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

for excellent coverage on Italy court and Italian opinions

'Chinese sister' hates for Google to leave, posted 14 May 2010 at 14:40 UTC by sye » (Journeyer)

So how did the Chinese respond to Google’s announcement on January 12th? A female college student with the help of her friends, created a new website www.goojje.com. It was launched on January 14th, just two days after the announcement. This site uses the same layout as Google, and also has one search engine, but there are a few changes. “Google Search” logically became “Goojje Search.” “I’m feeling lucky” became “Never feeling alone.” More interesting is the meaning behind the slogan “The brother will stay for the sister, and the brother still loves the sister.” So, what is the meaning behind this?

Google’s Chinese name is “谷歌”。 The first character’s pronunciation is similar to “Goo” and the second character is similar to “Gle.” The second character is also similar to “哥” (brother) in pronunciation. So, Chinese netizens use “谷哥” (Brother Goo) as a nickname for Google. Also, in Chinese society, people sometimes use “哥”(brother) and “姐” (sister or “jie” in Chinese Pinyin) to refer to their male or female lovers. The slogan shows that the Chinese want Google to stay in China because they love Google. This slogan portrays “Google”–the brother, and “Chinese netizens” (the sister) to have fallen in love. The “brother” will not leave the “sister” because the “brother” still loves the “sister.” “Goojje” represents the “Chinese netizens” and is also portrayed as the “sister” or “sister Goo” (Jje is similar to Jie).

exception from Sean's translationblvd.com

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