Google's China affair
Posted 17 Jan 2010 at 11:34 UTC (updated 19 Jan 2010 at 17:05 UTC) by sye
Google China closes its door after talks with Chinese government
officials failed. - News report from Boxun.
Employees are given 6 months pay and are encouraged to apply for opening
positions in other branches of Google operations in Asian & in US.
Those cyber-hackers in China, are they wearing black, white or yellow
That's what I want to know.
A Heated Debate at the Top
Co-Founder Brin Pushed for Strong Condemnation of China, While CEO
Schmidt Argued to Stay
Google Inc.'s startling threat to withdraw from China was an
intensely personal decision, drawing its celebrated founders and other
top executives into a debate over the right way to confront the issues
of censorship and cyber security.
Google's very public response to what it called a "highly
sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure
originating from China" was crafted over a period of weeks, with heavy
involvement from Google's co-founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin.
For the two men, China has always been a sensitive topic. Mr. Brin
has long confided in friends and Google colleagues of his ambivalence ...
From IT World Canada:
Analysts at VeriSign Inc. said attacks were launched by attaching
malicious files to e-mails. Adobe Systems Inc. has patched a
vulnerability in its Portable Document Format (PDF) software but a
researcher from F-Secure Corp. says PDFs were used to attack both Adobe
and Google Inc.
My hunch is that human rights activists send Google PDF bombs without
knowing that they carried virus in their sleeves or that their identity
has been stolen by tubely social network kurons, like
one of them has
my gmail account.
Yesterday, Larry Summers said: "it's too soon to say whether Google
Inc's threat to pull out of China will be a pivot point in Washington's
relationship with Beijing"
Google's withdraw isn't a political calculation. It is an economic one.
I agree with CEO Schmidt that Google can't afford to hand over Chinese
internet users' trust to Microsoft/Sun/IBM those old blue blood in China
but without political support within Chinese government, their operation
cost is going to mount substantially.
Google is not at war with China but Google may be at war with
Microsoft's influence in China, once again.
"The precursor of this current drama was the sudden departure of
Google's China president and head of its research and development there,
Dr. Kai-Fu Lee, who was lured from Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) in 2005. He
curiously left in September last year and is now working his own Chinese
start-up. (Lee will conveniently not be caught up in Google's situation,
which would have been devastating to his career in China. Slick.) "
'Can Google beat China?' This is like asking when IBM Big Blue
Go Seigen at playing go
One thing I know is that Chinese are far more patient than Senator
The only government response came later in the day from Xinhua, the
official news agency, which ran a brief item quoting an anonymous
official who was "seeking more information on Google's statement that it
could quit China."
Google linked its decision to sophisticated cyberattacks on its computer
systems that it suspected originated in China and that were aimed, at
least in part, at the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.
In a statement, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton expressed
"serious concerns" about the infiltration of Google.
"We look to the Chinese government for an explanation," Mrs. Clinton
When Obama visited China last year, he brought a go set to the Chinese
rulers. I wonder if he really wanted his team to learn how to play go
with their Chinese counter-part. At the same time, I wish more Chinese
could have access to online used-bookstore, like abebooks.com and bought
a copy of 'Shibumi'
What insight can we learn from all of the media coverage so far?
Recently, I paid only $15 for one year's privilege of using Free Library
at Philadelphia center city as a New Jersey residence. Behind the
membership desk is a sign which says 'Our computers are very human. When
it fails, it complains to another computer'. Will this other computer
register its neighbor's woe faithfully? That depends. If it is exactly
the same copy of that computer, it will likely to be infected by the
same woe without even realizing its own shortcoming. That's the story I
would like to tell to all computer users who has the power to make their
own thinking going along with their electronic devices.
It is good that Google gets out of China.
Until a people's revolution overthrows the
criminal government in Peking, no American
company should do business with China.
As an example of the criminal Chinese
government's disrespect for law and humanity,
consider the outrageous matter of the
disappearance of the Nobel Peace Prize
nominee Gao Zhisheng, who was taken away
from his home in China in February 2009.
According to an article by Andrew Jacobs in
the Sat. 16 January 2010 issue of The New York
Times, "Human rights advocates say the
disappearance of Mr. Gao is particularly
worrisome, given the mistreatment he said
he had endured during a previous incarceration.
In a letter he published after his release several
years ago, he said he had confessed to sedition
charges only after a month of torture that
included jabs with an electric baton and the
piercing of his genitals with toothpicks. At
the time, he said, his torturers told him
he would be killed if he spoke publicly
about his treatment in detention."
Now they say he has "gone missing."
Now it is time to face the China problem
head-on and to call for a revolt in China.
The top government officials of China
should be prosecuted and executed if need be.
All American businesses that continue to do
business with the illegitimate government
of China should be boycotted. Boycott,
for instance, Apple Computer for "tweaking"
their ad campaigns so as not to offend the
Chinese governemnt criminals.
Remember the Dalai Lama and independent Tibet.
Remember 4 June 1989 and the Tienanmen Square
Massacre when the criminal Chinese government
killed its own students protesting for democracy.
Ask any Chinese you meet to join the revolution
and to work in secret for the overthrow of Peking.
Ask the Chinese Army to revolt against the criminals.
Do not let American politicians kowtow to criminals
illegitimately ruling China. No more state visits!
Let one hundred revolutions all over China rise up
egainst the criminal enterprise that is the
current illegitimate government of China.
Return to the China of Sun Yat Sen and the oldest
cultured civilization on Earth. Meet the Chinese
revolutionaries and support them until the last
Chinese government criminal hangs from a lamp-post.
Ouch., posted 18 Jan 2010 at 18:21 UTC by fzort »
My Chinese and Chinese descendant friends seem to be happy about the current China. Could have something to do with half a billion people lifted out of poverty in a single generation, but that's just a wild guess.
Before you go around protesting for a Free Tibet, I suggest you read this essay.
智库--美国传统基金会(Heritage Foundation)中国事务研究员成斌(Dean Cheng)
fzort, that essay on Tibet sucks. Check out this excerpt from Ma Jian's
most popular novel banned in China on
'blasphemy' charges in regards of
Tibetan cultural heritage.
I can't remember who said that. 'The tragedy of old age isn't getting
old but getting young'.
Forbes.com columnist Shaun Rein like to see China as a teenage boy with a
subtitle, 'God please don't abandon it'. To me, it's more like US is the
teenage Christian boy penetrated old witch China thus scandalize the
whole wild wild planet.
When China was young, she sailed to Italy and ignited the Renaissance
according to English Admiral Gavin Menzies. Of course, not many people
believed that alternative theory, beginning in Christian Calender 1434.
reading this book
'Britons, forging a nation 1707-1837' and had great fun dashing
through it on Martin Luther King's day. And it makes me wonder how old
is Uncle Sam, exactly?
WSJ HOLMAN W. JENKINS, JR
What does Google know about you? What does the Chinese government know
Now you know a less-spoken reason why Google has gone to the mattresses
over Chinese hacking. Always in the cards, since the birth of the Web,
was the possibility that some great Internet business—a Yahoo or Google
or Amazon or Facebook—would be destroyed overnight by a cataclysmic loss
of trust in its protection of consumer data.
We haven't seen this phenomenon yet, but it has seemed almost inevitable
that sooner or later we will.
Google's response to the discovery that Chinese hackers—likely
government hackers—had tried to ransack its servers has been both
energetic and obfuscating. "We love China and the Chinese people," said
CEO Eric Schmidt. "This is not about them. It's about our unwillingness
to participate in censorship."
This was good PR—changing the subject from the very touchy one of data
security. It may also have been good strategy, putting China on the
defensive about blocking its own citizens' access to information. Your
It was also brave in a way other businesses in China haven't been brave,
and perhaps can't afford to be. Hard to imagine, after all, is the cream
of Chinese youth, the hope of its future, laying flowers of solidarity
on the doorstep of, say, Northrop Grumman.
But one thing Google's response wasn't was entirely straightforward. The
issue isn't censorship but data security. Google may deserve every
salaam for its willingness to go to war with China over its users' data
privacy, but it has been careful not to advertise that that's what the
showdown is really about. Ditto the Obama administration, which has
taken up the censorship theme but has no answer for what really happened
in the Google hack, which included breaking into individual email accounts.
You can understand their delicacy. Refusing to comply with China's
censorship directives, as Google is now doing, doesn't actually make
anyone's data safer. Even pulling down its Chinese search engine
altogether, as Google says it's prepared to do, wouldn't make Google's
servers in the U.S. or anywhere else more secure from determined hackers
sponsored by the Chinese government.
Nobody wants to talk about this, because nobody has an answer for it.
Even less given the stampede of businesses large and small to entrust
their propriety data to "the cloud." But let's face it: If you are among
the millions of users of Google's many services, which includes a lot
more than typing your perhaps not always creditable whims into its
search engine, by now on some gloomy afternoon you have already
involuntarily paused and wondered what exactly Google makes of all your
It doesn't take much to trip the anxiety switch even without worrying
about data leakage to outsiders. In the near future, because you once
typed in a search for hemorrhoid creams, will you see hemorrhoid ads
flashing on electronic billboards as your car passes by? Will your
Thanksgiving football fest with the in-laws be interrupted with TV
commercials for hemorrhoid creams unless you take yourself out of the
room? (Microsoft already is developing for its xBox game and video
machine a capacity to watch who's watching).
The Chinese government may not have anything to gain by embarrassing you
in front of your children or employer, but state-sponsored hacking can
potentially serve many purposes, from espionage and economic sabotage to
blackmail and short-selling opportunities.
Even more likely, hacking could be Beijing's way of extorting corporate
compliance with its other goals. That's why Google's tactic of thumbing
its nose at China's censorship rules is at least inspired gamesmanship.
Message to China: You have something to lose too.
It's also why the response of other companies has been worrisome in its
wussiness. Motorola is widely named in the press as having been hacked
by Chinese operatives in the same incident as Google. Motorola's
response? "Motorola is committed to offering the most innovative mobile
products and experiences in China."
If China's hacking is essentially a power play, silence is the wrong
answer. In the early 1990s, the world studiously ignored evidence that
China's military was behind much of the piracy in the vital trade lanes
of the South China Sea. The parallel is a close one, because China's
motive appeared to be an assertion of sovereignty as much as a grab for
Hong Kong, still a British possession at the time, bravely collected the
evidence, including serial numbers of Chinese patrol boats involved in
the attacks. But it was allowed to present its findings only orally to
the U.N. International Maritime Organization—because a written report
would have required the agency to acknowledge the information and act on it.
Nobody wanted to know because nobody knew how to do deal with Chinese
state-sponsored piracy, though it turned out the best way to deal with
it was simply to advertise what was known about China's participation in
Editorial: if Chinese hackers have found Google's new cloud computing
Achilles heal, US has more to lose than China.
, there's no need to post entire copyrighted articles, the link would have been enough
redi, if stealing isn't necessary, will you count for me how many links
are no longer cared for here ?
So steal it yourself, don't use advogato to host copyrighted material
NSA Secret Database Ensnared President Clinton’s Private E-mail
Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/06/pinwale/
"U.S. enables Chinese hacking of Google"
Editor's note: Bruce Schneier is a security technologist and author of
"Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly About Security in an Uncertain World."
Read more of his writing at www.schneier.com.
Jan 26, 2010
Diplomat hits out over Google
LONDON - CHINA'S ambassador to London criticised alleged British
arrogance after being questioned about Google's threat to pull out of
her country in a BBC interview Tuesday.
Fu Ying also insisted relations between the two countries had not been
strained by the execution last month of Briton Akmal Shaikh, whose
supporters said was mentally ill, for drug smuggling.
The ambassador said she thought there 'must have been a lot of things'
behind the US search engine's announcement, following claims it had been
attacked by Chinese-based hackers.
'That's one of the frustrations I have in my three years in this country
- for you, you have this habit of believing you have the best system,
the best things in the world and everybody to copy,' she added on BBC radio.
'You want the Westminster roof to be put on the house of every country.
But it doesn't work. Every country should build its own house and choose
the best roof for itself'.
She also said of Shaikh's execution: 'Between countries there are always
differences... this shows our relationship is strong enough to handle
differences and I don't think there's any serious damage'. -- AFP
"More than 1 million Chinese IP addresses were controlled by foreign
sources and hackers attacked 42,000 websites last year..."
Jan. 29 received this notice
from Smalldog Electronics Inc
I think I'll still do business with them.
" These ethnic Jewish groups had taken down China once -- by way of
Opium with aone prominent bank still displaying of their full loot of
China -- HSBC ., of course that same arrogance, hiding behind the term
of "Western" had yet be stratified and layered out right for the Chinese
to see --But at this moment onward, all Chinese business intelligence
have to find out what componnet of any buisness are related to the
ethnic Jews and what are their origins? Rothschild? Bank of England ?
And find out for themselves -- Otherwise, the hidden white collar
criminals will strike again -- because the have gotten away the last
time -- placing all the blame of the English, instead, the English were
merely proxies -- of course, in the looting of China. England 's kings
and queens did got paid very handsomely. But not this time around. We
have to be on the alert of the incoming Economic War and we have to
identify the people of each and every company and to know their ethnic
background in full and to find out if they are foes or friends of China.
In not knowing this layers of ethnic and religious associations -- China
can be harmed again. - Paul Yih "
"Seven Corporations of Interest Selling surveillance tools to China"
Commentary by Danny O'Brien
#6 Sybase: Business Week also reports that Sybase sells database
programs to the Shanghai police.
Another Rhyme taken with Captain Rum
Democracy by Bush supports Monopoly of Dick
Bush or Dick how can we tell?
Thunders break Rabbi's roar
Can't you read Hebrew?
Thou must obey thy Supreme Commander.
Chinese Saga smiles
with one finger straight up in the air
"God is playing a joke On America as we spake
Ah, Dick with Bush
one never get tired of the other
as long as we understand
no ejaculation through and with
all thy might is the only civilized way
unmanly but holy
to flourish many Ds after Bs
under Heaven on this Earth."
Then Saga puts his finger down
People saw a whitehead Eagle soared
And nobody was around
But the tomb of this
with Captain Rum.
P in the V chemistry
The Chinese schools involved are Shanghai Jiaotong University and the
Lanxiang Vocational School, according to several people with knowledge
of the investigation who asked for anonymity because they were not
authorized to discuss the inquiry.
Jiaotong has one of China’s top computer science programs. Just a few
weeks ago its students won an international computer programming
competition organized by I.B.M. — the “Battle of the Brains” — beating
out Stanford and other top-flight universities.
Lanxiang, in east China’s Shandong Province, is a huge vocational school
that was established with military support and trains some computer
scientists for the military. The school’s computer network is operated
by a company with close ties to Baidu, the dominant search engine in
China and a competitor of Google.
Within the computer security industry and the Obama administration,
analysts differ over how to interpret the finding that the intrusions
appear to come from schools instead of Chinese military installations or
government agencies. Some analysts have privately circulated a document
asserting that the vocational school is being used as camouflage for
government operations. But other computer industry executives and former
government officials said it was possible that the schools were cover
for a “false flag” intelligence operation being run by a third country.
Some have also speculated that the hacking could be a giant example of
criminal industrial espionage, aimed at stealing intellectual property
from American technology firms.
Independent researchers who monitor Chinese information warfare caution
that the Chinese have adopted a highly distributed approach to online
espionage, making it almost impossible to prove where an attack originated.
“We have to understand that they have a different model for computer
network exploit operations,” said James C. Mulvenon, a Chinese military
specialist and a director at the Center for Intelligence Research and
Analysis in Washington. Rather than tightly compartmentalizing online
espionage within agencies as the United States does, he said, the
Chinese government often involves volunteer “patriotic hackers” to
support its policies.
Spokesmen for the Chinese schools said they had not heard that American
investigators had traced the Google attacks to their campuses.
If it is true, “We’ll alert related departments and start our own
investigation,” said Liu Yuxiang, head of the propaganda department of
the party committee at Jiaotong University in Shanghai.
But when asked about the possibility, a leading professor in Jiaotong’s
School of Information Security Engineering said in a telephone
interview: “I’m not surprised. Actually students hacking into foreign
Web sites is quite normal.” The professor, who teaches Web security,
asked not to be named for fear of reprisal.
“I believe there’s two kinds of situations,” the professor continued.
“One is it’s a completely individual act of wrongdoing, done by one or
two geek students in the school who are just keen on experimenting with
their hacking skills learned from the school, since the sources in the
school and network are so limited. Or it could be that one of the
university’s I.P. addresses was hijacked by others, which frequently
h4x0r1ng, posted 23 Feb 2010 at 11:12 UTC by fzort »
Those "information warfare" conspiracy theories are ridiculous. Probably just a couple of smart kids having fun.
thanks David, posted 24 Feb 2010 at 19:11 UTC by sye »
So how did the Chinese respond to Google’s announcement on January 12th?
A female college student with the help of her friends, created a new
website www.goojje.com. It was
launched on January 14th, just two days
after the announcement. This site uses the same layout as Google, and
also has one search engine, but there are a few changes. “Google Search”
logically became “Goojje Search.” “I’m feeling lucky” became “Never
feeling alone.” More interesting is the meaning behind the slogan “The
brother will stay for the sister, and the brother still loves the
sister.” So, what is the meaning behind this?
Google’s Chinese name is “谷歌”。 The first character’s pronunciation is
similar to “Goo” and the second character is similar to “Gle.” The
second character is also similar to “哥” (brother) in pronunciation. So,
Chinese netizens use “谷哥” (Brother Goo) as a nickname for Google.
Also, in Chinese society, people sometimes use “哥”（brother） and “姐”
(sister or “jie” in Chinese Pinyin) to refer to their male or female
lovers. The slogan shows that the Chinese want Google to stay in China
because they love Google. This slogan portrays “Google”–the brother,
and “Chinese netizens” (the sister) to have fallen in love. The
“brother” will not leave the “sister” because the “brother” still loves
the “sister.” “Goojje” represents the “Chinese netizens” and is also
portrayed as the “sister” or “sister Goo” (Jje is similar to Jie).
exception from Sean's